Rewards1 Referral Scheme Update!

[Pyros]

Alright guys this is probably one of the largest and most important changes we've done to Rewards1. At the starting of September we will be changing the referral scheme for Rewards1 into a tiered system and removing the refer-a-thon. The new referral system will work as follows: At the end of each month users that get above 50 active referrals will have a referral bonus of 25% for the MONTH FOLLOWING and users that get above 200 active referrals will have a referral bonus of 30% for the MONTH FOLLOWING. If you calculate the extra gains, a 25% or 30% referral bonus pretty much translates to a 25% or 50% gain in your earnings.

Before everyone goes crazy over the fact that we've removed the refer-a-thon, we want to explain just why this system is better. For the most part users that win the refer-a-thon are only in the top 10 and can only win set amounts. Using the new system ANY user that refers a sufficient amount can earn extra cash from the percentage gain alone.

Using some made up numbers we can see the gains. Assume a user earns $20 a month and gets over 50 active referrals. If his referral earnings remain static then he would be earning $20 + $5 REGARDLESS of whether or not he places in the refer-a-thon. If this same user actually earns $20 a month but gets over 200 active referrals (and therefore 30% referral bonus) he would be earning $20 + $10 assuming his monthly earnings remain static. A good rule of thumb to calculating what you will earn instead is to multiply your monthly earnings by 1.25 OR 1.5 depending on whether you obtain a 25% or a 30% referral bonus.

Using our example calculations, and our rules on how to place into these new tiers, there can be any number of winners. If you try hard enough with your referral earnings you can earn a good chunk more than you normally would! Its a win-win situation for everyone in the end.

I believe the last issue to address is that, although we are removing the refer-a-thon, contests may still happen every now and then. It is simply the fact that we will not be having a standing contest that users can place at the end of the month.

Pyros

[Bunny]

Talk about math :'( Honestly, my brain is spinning lol
Anyways, um.. First post :)

[Pyros]

Talk about math :'( Honestly, my brain is spinning lol
Anyways, um.. First post :)

lol sorry >< was my example too complicated ^^?
hehe, any questions then feel free to ask.

Pyros

[Pingo]

Wait....people still use Rewards1? O_o

[Bunny]

lol sorry >< was my example too complicated ^^?
hehe, any questions then feel free to ask.

Pyros

Yeah, but no worries !
Here's a question, are the referral earnings percentage permanent once we've reached the goal?

[Kieran]

Yeah, that was confusing, but I think I understand it anyway.
Yeah, it's ok.

[JohnVictoria]

Wait....people still use Rewards1? O_o
Yes,

This look like a good referral system.
Nice but i just don't know how to feel:thumbs

[Pyros]

Yeah, but no worries !
Here's a question, are the referral earnings percentage permanent once we've reached the goal?

Nope, its per month, you need to keep it up if you wanna keep the percentage
for most steady users though its not too big of a problem

Pyros

[Pyros]

Yes,

This look like a good referral system.
Nice:thumbs

glad you like it ;P and hope you keep at it hehe

Pyros

[ReDDs]

i think it sucks but, at lest i will make a bit more.

[Pyros]

i think it sucks but, at lest i will make a bit more.

well feel free to state your opinions and reasons ;P
seems pretty good to me IMO.

Pyros

[joeyjumanji]

nooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well idc
cuz i have no refs
:D
;[
its sad i know
lol

they shoulda put new offers
D;

[JohnVictoria]

i think it sucks but, at lest i will make a bit more.
This can only suck to good referrers who stay on the top ten every month but it'll be a pleasure to other users who are trying their best but aint progressing enough to the top 10.

[Pyros]

This can only suck to good referrers who stay on the top ten every month but it'll be a pleasure to other users who are trying their best but aint progressing enough to the top 10.

well in terms of calculating it you earn more from than than you would if you got the referathon for the big referrers up top (go calculate it)

AND at the same time a lot of the smaller referrers can earn quite a bit extra

Pyros

[joeyjumanji]

well in terms of calculating it you earn more from than than you would if you got the referathon for the big referrers up top (go calculate it)

AND at the same time a lot of the smaller referrers can earn quite a bit extra

Pyros

next update should be more offers dont you think?
D:

[All Programs]

Sounds fair.

Now not only the Kings party themselves. The minions can join too.

AP

[Mason]

im not gonna calculate it but i dont think the big refferers will be making as much

[Blockis]

I like it. It was always the same people who won the referral contests.

Blockis

[JohnVictoria]

I like it. It was always the same people who won the referral contests.

Blockis
yeah travyse ryan johnathan me dustin brian etc.

[Dr.Genjoah]

Hmm... Not the change I expected, but it seems like this is something that'll please everyone so that's cool. When I get back into place, I don't think I'd be making as much as I would with the contest though.

[☆Joey☆]

Not a bad referral system change

[TDot]

I think this is better than the same ppl winning over and over again. But this is still helping top referrers so it a plus for everyone.

[Blockis]

Exactly!

Blockis

[ArmoredAngel]

Well, I'm still out

[Makar]

This is awesome :D

I could not (and probably won't ever) get in the refer-a-thon anyway.

[cardo]

thats sick ;D

but not very good for the **** referrers hahahaha :)

peace ;)

[rovert]

personally, I suck at refs.. If I tried, I could easily get 50 referrals in a month.. but they won't be active... So that, is hard for me to do... that's why I don't like this very much. I wish when you got to 50 active refs, you STAY at 25%, and so on and so forth... :/ oh well. :p

[Billinator]

I've got a better chance at this. I probably have about 50 active refs so far out of the 182 I have.

[7sixes]

Does active referral mean that the person just needs to do one offer at least? Or is there a certain amount?

[Billinator]

He/she needs to complete at least one offer. So say if you referred 10 people, those 10 people must complete one offer AND get the credit in order for you to have active refs, just don't wait until they get active, keep getting refs.

[7sixes]

Oh wowwww....ok.... I got at least 100+ active refs right now then...

[CDZoro]

seems a very nice referral system and original XD even though i suck at getting refs xD
and its been a month here i only got 4 refs xD

[Kieran]

seems a very nice referral system and original XD even though i suck at getting refs xD
and its been a month here i only got 4 refs xD

I've been on the R1 website since June, and have only just started to bother referring.
Check out my sig :lol2

[ReDDs]

As you can see, I have that in my sig too, cool site, everyone should join it.

[Cokacole123]

Could YOu Also Make A Monthly Active Ref Counter on the Refferal History Page to help keep track if your close?

[vkmaster]

I think overall this is a good move as it will help new users get some rewards for their referrals. Before lots of people wouldn't try hard with refs because they would think that they could never get into the top 10. But this way they can get rewards and have a target to follow.

[Pyros]

Could YOu Also Make A Monthly Active Ref Counter on the Refferal History Page to help keep track if your close?

hmmm monthly active ref ehhhhhhh
thats not a bad suggestion.

Pyros

[Vontemixmaster]

Question, let's say I got the 25%..... Now, if i got 200 active in the next month or another 50... can I get a 50% rate or 60%????

[BlackDahlia]

Its a win-win situation for everyone in the end.

Lol mind explaining this? Top referrers now make less. People who can't refer much (most) aren't affected. The only people who gain from this are those who can refer 50+ active referrals a month, and it's only 5-10 cents per dollar, which isn't much. If anything, this is just a way for R1 to make more money and give less in return. I sure hope those contest you have are worth a lot of money to make up for all that you're basically taking away. I highly doubt it though. I can see any contests till next summer amounting to very little. And I know, I know.. it's not your company, but I'm just saying.

Question, let's say I got the 25%..... Now, if i got 200 active in the next month or another 50... can I get a 50% rate or 60%????

They wouldn't add it because then eventually people would be making over 100%.

[Vontemixmaster]

I hope they'll still be having the weekly referral draw.

[larcha]

I hope they'll still be having the weekly referral draw.

yea me tooo

[iiLucKi]

2 bad i have 2 actives and only earned me .23

[☆Joey☆]

will the weekly referral draw be permernant? or will it only be this summer :(
I won 20 points from it, I want it to continue!

[larcha]

i won 40 bucks from the summer ref contests

[Pyros]

I think overall this is a good move as it will help new users get some rewards for their referrals. Before lots of people wouldn't try hard with refs because they would think that they could never get into the top 10. But this way they can get rewards and have a target to follow.

Yep, that was the intention :D its a lot better for a lot of users now :P since anyone can get a chance to win!

Question, let's say I got the 25%..... Now, if i got 200 active in the next month or another 50... can I get a 50% rate or 60%????

no its set rates of 20%, 25%, and 30%. it is RESET EACH MONTH. depending on how many active refs you earn.

JAN: 20% ref bonus/earn 50 active refs
FEB: 25% ref bonus/earn 20 active refs
MAR: 20% ref bonus/earn 20 active refs
APR: 20% ref bonus/earn 200 active refs
MAY: 30% ref bonus/earn 150 active refs
JUN: 25% ref bonus....

get it now?

Lol mind explaining this? Top referrers now make less. People who can't refer much (most) aren't affected. The only people who gain from this are those who can refer 50+ active referrals a month, and it's only 5-10 cents per dollar, which isn't much. If anything, this is just a way for R1 to make more money and give less in return. I sure hope those contest you have are worth a lot of money to make up for all that you're basically taking away. I highly doubt it though. I can see any contests till next summer amounting to very little. And I know, I know.. it's not your company, but I'm just saying.


Top referrers are making more.
While you DIDNT see the numbers I do and since i cant disclose it i cant do much. But trust me, top referrers earn MORE than they will using the referathon. and that is inclusive of almost all the top referrers.

smaller referrers will also earn quite a bit more ( relative ) as i've stated its a 25 % or 50 % increase in your earnings if you hit the levels correctly. Big referrers will get a 50% increase GUARANTEED aka multiply it by 1.5

I think in the end there might be SOME losers and those are the mediocre to tier referrers but even then... the referathon didnt give much more cuz it scaled down REALLY fast.

Pyros

[Vontemixmaster]

Not at all Pyros, why complicate things? Just give us 3 levels deep and we'll be fine.

[Pyros]

Not at all Pyros, why complicate things? Just give us 3 levels deep and we'll be fine.

lol waht dont you understand about it?
and this earns you more than 3 levels of ref would -_- ... like ever =/

Pyros

[Vontemixmaster]

I don't understand what you said in the explanation post to me.

[Pyros]

I don't understand what you said in the explanation post to me.

ok ill try to make it simpler without the example.

For EACH MONTH we will:
1) check if you have less than 50, 50 to 199, or greater than 200 active referrals.
2) we will set your referral percentage to 20, 25, or 30% depending on what you get.
3) when that month ends we do it all over again.

Pyros

[Caps]

ok ill try to make it simpler without the example.

For EACH MONTH we will:
1) check if you have less than 50, 50 to 199, or greater than 200 active referrals.
2) we will set your referral percentage to 20, 25, or 30% depending on what you get.
3) when that month ends we do it all over again.

Pyros
Sounds like a lot of work. Hope you guys have an automated system for that.

[Vontemixmaster]

kay................thanks......

[Pyros]

Sounds like a lot of work. Hope you guys have an automated system for that.

eh not my job

kay................thanks......

LIAR you dont understand ><
if you get 50 active referrals for january
then you will have 25 % referral bonus for february

if you get 200 active referrals for january
the you will have 30 % referral bonus for february.

Pyros

[alexisNYK1]

this is a great mutha ****ing change but what if we dont meet those standards....we dont get anything?

[Caps]

They could get really backed up if they do it manually.

[JohnVictoria]

eh not my job



LIAR you dont understand ><
if you get 50 active referrals for january
then you will have 25 % referral bonus for february

if you get 200 active referrals for january
the you will have 30 % referral bonus for february.

Pyros
lol so does it count this month cuz i think i've already earned more than 200 active refs for august.

[Pyros]

this is a great mutha ****ing change but what if we dont meet those standards....we dont get anything?

if you do not meet those standards you simply stay with the standard 20 % referral bonus that everyone gets.

They could get really backed up if they do it manually.

LOL yeah it would O_o eish crazy people if they did ;D

lol so does it count this month cuz i think i've already earned more than 200 active refs for august.

Yes i believe starting sep we'll start this right of fthe bat. so you'll get a 30% referral bonus

[JohnVictoria]

if you do not meet those standards you simply stay with the standard 20 % referral bonus that everyone gets.



LOL yeah it would O_o eish crazy people if they did ;D



Yes i believe starting sep we'll start this right of fthe bat. so you'll get a 30% referral bonus
yes so next month i might earn more than $300 cash!:banana

[Vontemixmaster]

i'll have a 25 I think :)
Sweet... I need more money... maybe i can crank it up on my week off from work before school starts.

[Pyros]

i'll have a 25 I think :)
Sweet... I need more money... maybe i can crank it up on my week off from work before school starts.

good luck getting it heh :p
that's only like 25 more to go before you get a 25 % ref bonus next month :P

Pyros

[Vontemixmaster]

no....... lol.... I already got 50 active referrals this month....thus 25% next month right?

[Pyros]

no....... lol.... I already got 50 active referrals this month....thus 25% next month right?

Oh O_o
yeah pretty mcuh O_o

Pyros

[Lastwill]

It's alright. I may make 1 or 2 more points per month. Nothing Big for me.

[BlackDahlia]

Top referrers are making more.
While you DIDNT see the numbers I do and since i cant disclose it i cant do much. But trust me, top referrers earn MORE than they will using the referathon. and that is inclusive of almost all the top referrers.

smaller referrers will also earn quite a bit more ( relative ) as i've stated its a 25 % or 50 % increase in your earnings if you hit the levels correctly. Big referrers will get a 50% increase GUARANTEED aka multiply it by 1.5

I think in the end there might be SOME losers and those are the mediocre to tier referrers but even then... the referathon didnt give much more cuz it scaled down REALLY fast.

Pyros

WTF Pyros? That's not accurate. When I say top referrers I mainly meant the top 3. Those being:

1st place ($100)
2nd place ($75)
3rd place ($60)

According to what you wrote:
If I get 0-49 active referrals this month = next month I get 20% ref earnings
If I get 50-199 active referrals this month = next month I get 25% ref earnings
If I get 200+ active referrals this month = next month I get 30% ref earnings

Now lets take this into account with numbers:

As of September 1st, for the first month, they are taking a $60-100 loss unless you are counting Augusts results. I'm sure the top referrers get at least 200 active referrals. The 20% they are making is not to be counted because that is already what they made in the first place. So they're only getting an actual 10% increase. 10 more cents per dollar. $600 x 10% = $60. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it most likely take over 1000 active referrals for them to add up to $600-1000? And out of that you only get your $60-100. All that JUST for them to make up the $60-100 a month they were already GUARANTEED. Now they have to count 100% on their referrals. So chances of them making more money are very slim. Yes, they are making MORE from their referrals, but LESS overall. And out of this, R1 is increasing the number of active referrals were getting because we at least want that 5% increase, thus increasing the money they make, and giving less in return. So again, I hope they have a lot of contests otherwise they're actually taking away overall but making it sound like we're really making more. The only people who benefit are those that didn't really get to the top, and again, their increase is almost nothing.

[Chiski]

Well, kind of good for a regular referrer like me ;D

[idkcar]

Wow i massively had to use my brain for these examples..haha

[Pyros]

WTF Pyros? That's not accurate. When I say top referrers I mainly meant the top 3. Those being:

1st place ($100)
2nd place ($75)
3rd place ($60)

According to what you wrote:
If I get 0-49 active referrals this month = next month I get 20% ref earnings
If I get 50-199 active referrals this month = next month I get 25% ref earnings
If I get 200+ active referrals this month = next month I get 30% ref earnings

Now lets take this into account with numbers:

As of September 1st, for the first month, they are taking a $60-100 loss unless you are counting Augusts results. I'm sure the top referrers get at least 200 active referrals. The 20% they are making is not to be counted because that is already what they made in the first place. So they're only getting an actual 10% increase. 10 more cents per dollar. $600 x 10% = $60. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it most likely take over 1000 active referrals for them to add up to $600-1000? And out of that you only get your $60-100. All that JUST for them to make up the $60-100 a month they were already GUARANTEED. Now they have to count 100% on their referrals. So chances of them making more money are very slim. Yes, they are making MORE from their referrals, but LESS overall. And out of this, R1 is increasing the number of active referrals were getting because we at least want that 5% increase, thus increasing the money they make, and giving less in return. So again, I hope they have a lot of contests otherwise they're actually taking away overall but making it sound like we're really making more. The only people who benefit are those that didn't really get to the top, and again, their increase is almost nothing.

Your math is wrong lol
I will explain very succinctly!

Lets assume Mr. Big (our top referrer) earns $1000 (for easy calculations) a month from Rewards1 through his referrals. He clearly gets over 200 active refs so he will definitely ALWAYS hit the 30% referral rate.

In order to make these very simple and practical we will assume that Mr. Big can do nothing better or worse about his referral earnings. They are a static $1000 EVERY MONTH. This will properly set up our problem and solution.

If we still had the referathon Mr. Big would be earning $1000 + $100 (from the referathon, giving him a total of $1100. Every month. Because it is a static gain he can only ever get $1100 a month.

With the new system in place you must take into consideration of what he gets and how he gets it. So Mr. Big always earns $1000 with a 20% referral rate. Now we need to know exactly what his referrals earn each month for him. That would be $1000 * 5 = $5000, so his referrals always earn $5000 each month and from that $5000 Mr. Big gets $1000. AKA he earns 20% of $5000.

But now that we've changed the referral bonus to 30%, we need to adjust how much Mr. Big earns. Now his referrals ALWAYS earn $5000 every month. So we take $5000 * 0.3 = $1500. Mr. Big earns $1500 with a 30% referral bonus.

Now to crunch the other interesting numbers.
Oringinally Mr. Big earned 1000 a month. now he earns 1500 a month.
1000 * 1.5 = 1500, basically Mr. Big is earning 50% more than he was earlier.
Comparatively if it was the referathon. He would be earning $400 more than that. 1500 - 1100 = 400. That make sense now >.>?

Pyros

[Mason]

Your math is wrong lol
I will explain very succinctly!

Lets assume Mr. Big (our top referrer) earns $1000 (for easy calculations) a month from Rewards1 through his referrals. He clearly gets over 200 active refs so he will definitely ALWAYS hit the 30% referral rate.

In order to make these very simple and practical we will assume that Mr. Big can do nothing better or worse about his referral earnings. They are a static $1000 EVERY MONTH. This will properly set up our problem and solution.

If we still had the referathon Mr. Big would be earning $1000 + $100 (from the referathon, giving him a total of $1100. Every month. Because it is a static gain he can only ever get $1100 a month.

With the new system in place you must take into consideration of what he gets and how he gets it. So Mr. Big always earns $1000 with a 20% referral rate. Now we need to know exactly what his referrals earn each month for him. That would be $1000 * 5 = $5000, so his referrals always earn $5000 each month and from that $5000 Mr. Big gets $1000. AKA he earns 20% of $5000.

But now that we've changed the referral bonus to 30%, we need to adjust how much Mr. Big earns. Now his referrals ALWAYS earn $5000 every month. So we take $5000 * 0.3 = $1500. Mr. Big earns $1500 with a 30% referral bonus.

Now to crunch the other interesting numbers.
Oringinally Mr. Big earned 1000 a month. now he earns 1500 a month.
1000 * 1.5 = 1500, basically Mr. Big is earning 50% more than he was earlier.
Comparatively if it was the referathon. He would be earning $400 more than that. 1500 - 1100 = 400. That make sense now >.>?

Pyros

ehh... ship me a mr.big, that post made me hungry

[Pyros]

ehh... ship me a mr.big, that post made me hungry

I ate half, you need to indirectly kiss for the other half

Pyros

[BlackDahlia]

Your math is wrong lol
I will explain very succinctly!

Lets assume Mr. Big (our top referrer) earns $1000 (for easy calculations) a month from Rewards1 through his referrals. He clearly gets over 200 active refs so he will definitely ALWAYS hit the 30% referral rate.

In order to make these very simple and practical we will assume that Mr. Big can do nothing better or worse about his referral earnings. They are a static $1000 EVERY MONTH. This will properly set up our problem and solution.

If we still had the referathon Mr. Big would be earning $1000 + $100 (from the referathon, giving him a total of $1100. Every month. Because it is a static gain he can only ever get $1100 a month.

With the new system in place you must take into consideration of what he gets and how he gets it. So Mr. Big always earns $1000 with a 20% referral rate. Now we need to know exactly what his referrals earn each month for him. That would be $1000 * 5 = $5000, so his referrals always earn $5000 each month and from that $5000 Mr. Big gets $1000. AKA he earns 20% of $5000.

But now that we've changed the referral bonus to 30%, we need to adjust how much Mr. Big earns. Now his referrals ALWAYS earn $5000 every month. So we take $5000 * 0.3 = $1500. Mr. Big earns $1500 with a 30% referral bonus.

Now to crunch the other interesting numbers.
Oringinally Mr. Big earned 1000 a month. now he earns 1500 a month.
1000 * 1.5 = 1500, basically Mr. Big is earning 50% more than he was earlier.
Comparatively if it was the referathon. He would be earning $400 more than that. 1500 - 1100 = 400. That make sense now >.>?

Pyros

No, I am 95% sure my math is not wrong.

And there are 3 problems with your example. One - you use big numbers to make the results look significant. Two - static numbers are unrealistic. Three - You are basing your scenario on a 5:1 ratio. 5 being the amount of money you make and 1 being the number of referrals, which again, is unrealistic. How about we work with realistic numbers? 0.2:1 perhaps. And THAT is a good ratio btw.

Lets say our top referrer makes about $200 ref earnings + $100 contest. I know how the math works, you don't have to explain that. But for everyone else reading I'll show it. $200 x 5 = $1000 x 0.3 = $300. All in all, it's exactly the same as he did before except for when we get into the number or referrals he'd actually have to achieve. 5 referrals per dollar. That's 1000 referrals. Wait.. 1000? Isn't that what I said when you said my math was wrong? Oh and it's not even ONLY 1000, it's 1000 ACTIVE referrals. I'm sure our top referrer doesn't make 1000 active referrals a month. And again, that's using a realistic but GOOD ratio. Most ratios are 0.1:1 or 0.15:1. And in order to achieve anything beyond their usual they would need over 1000 referrals. It's not looking too good for them now is it?

[Pyros]

No, I am 95% sure my math is not wrong.

And there are 3 problems with your example. One - you use big numbers to make the results look significant. Two - static numbers are unrealistic. Three - You are basing your scenario on a 5:1 ratio. 5 being the amount of money you make and 1 being the number of referrals, which again, is unrealistic. How about we work with realistic numbers? 0.2:1 perhaps. And THAT is a good ratio btw.

Lets say our top referrer makes about $200 ref earnings + $100 contest. I know how the math works, you don't have to explain that. But for everyone else reading I'll show it. $200 x 5 = $1000 x 0.3 = $300. All in all, it's exactly the same as he did before except for when we get into the number or referrals he'd actually have to achieve. 5 referrals per dollar. That's 1000 referrals. Wait.. 1000? Isn't that what I said when you said my math was wrong? Oh and it's not even ONLY 1000, it's 1000 ACTIVE referrals. I'm sure our top referrer doesn't make 1000 active referrals a month. And again, that's using a realistic but GOOD ratio. Most ratios are 0.1:1 or 0.15:1. And in order to achieve anything beyond their usual they would need over 1000 referrals. It's not looking too good for them now is it?

you're right about the ratios BUT you're wrong about not keeping the earnings static. if the user does just as well and nothing changes but the referral percentage then the user earns more.

in reflection to the referathon you need to remember that you are NOT top referrer so you dont know their earnings and i would not be one to divulge their earnings. They know their own earnings and "we" know their earnings and from the calculations done they DO win more if they use this system.

the biggest loss will potentially come to the user in ranks 5 to 9 of the referathon but we made it guaranteed so that the top user will gain more.
and while you might think that the ratios matter, they really dont. the reason being? top referrers ALWAYS understand the ratio they've been working at it for ages and they know that is the referral ratio. They just EARN that much regardless.

Pyros

[BlackDahlia]

you're right about the ratios BUT you're wrong about not keeping the earnings static. if the user does just as well and nothing changes but the referral percentage then the user earns more.

in reflection to the referathon you need to remember that you are NOT top referrer so you dont know their earnings and i would not be one to divulge their earnings. They know their own earnings and "we" know their earnings and from the calculations done they DO win more if they use this system.

the biggest loss will potentially come to the user in ranks 5 to 9 of the referathon but we made it guaranteed so that the top user will gain more.
and while you might think that the ratios matter, they really dont. the reason being? top referrers ALWAYS understand the ratio they've been working at it for ages and they know that is the referral ratio. They just EARN that much regardless.

Pyros

How do you know I'm not a top referrer?
I mean.. I'm not but.. you just assumed -_-

How about we get top referrer's actual numbers? Then we'll see if the change helped or not? K, go look.

[Pyros]

How do you know I'm not a top referrer?
I mean.. I'm not but.. you just assumed -_-

How about we get top referrer's actual numbers? Then we'll see if the change helped or not? K, go look.

trust me ;P its been calculated so they earn more.
that was the first thing we had in mind when we did it. at least so that they dont go evil on us and run away :D

Pyros

[skaterbro9000]

Yep, that was the intention :D its a lot better for a lot of users now :P since anyone can get a chance to win!



no its set rates of 20%, 25%, and 30%. it is RESET EACH MONTH. depending on how many active refs you earn.

JAN: 20% ref bonus/earn 50 active refs
FEB: 25% ref bonus/earn 20 active refs
MAR: 20% ref bonus/earn 20 active refs
APR: 20% ref bonus/earn 200 active refs
MAY: 30% ref bonus/earn 150 active refs
JUN: 25% ref bonus....

get it now?



Top referrers are making more.
While you DIDNT see the numbers I do and since i cant disclose it i cant do much. But trust me, top referrers earn MORE than they will using the referathon. and that is inclusive of almost all the top referrers.

smaller referrers will also earn quite a bit more ( relative ) as i've stated its a 25 % or 50 % increase in your earnings if you hit the levels correctly. Big referrers will get a 50% increase GUARANTEED aka multiply it by 1.5

I think in the end there might be SOME losers and those are the mediocre to tier referrers but even then... the referathon didnt give much more cuz it scaled down REALLY fast.

Pyros

WTF Pyros? That's not accurate. When I say top referrers I mainly meant the top 3. Those being:

1st place ($100)
2nd place ($75)
3rd place ($60)

According to what you wrote:
If I get 0-49 active referrals this month = next month I get 20% ref earnings
If I get 50-199 active referrals this month = next month I get 25% ref earnings
If I get 200+ active referrals this month = next month I get 30% ref earnings

Now lets take this into account with numbers:

As of September 1st, for the first month, they are taking a $60-100 loss unless you are counting Augusts results. I'm sure the top referrers get at least 200 active referrals. The 20% they are making is not to be counted because that is already what they made in the first place. So they're only getting an actual 10% increase. 10 more cents per dollar. $600 x 10% = $60. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it most likely take over 1000 active referrals for them to add up to $600-1000? And out of that you only get your $60-100. All that JUST for them to make up the $60-100 a month they were already GUARANTEED. Now they have to count 100% on their referrals. So chances of them making more money are very slim. Yes, they are making MORE from their referrals, but LESS overall. And out of this, R1 is increasing the number of active referrals were getting because we at least want that 5% increase, thus increasing the money they make, and giving less in return. So again, I hope they have a lot of contests otherwise they're actually taking away overall but making it sound like we're really making more. The only people who benefit are those that didn't really get to the top, and again, their increase is almost nothing.

Your math is wrong lol
I will explain very succinctly!

Lets assume Mr. Big (our top referrer) earns $1000 (for easy calculations) a month from Rewards1 through his referrals. He clearly gets over 200 active refs so he will definitely ALWAYS hit the 30% referral rate.

In order to make these very simple and practical we will assume that Mr. Big can do nothing better or worse about his referral earnings. They are a static $1000 EVERY MONTH. This will properly set up our problem and solution.

If we still had the referathon Mr. Big would be earning $1000 + $100 (from the referathon, giving him a total of $1100. Every month. Because it is a static gain he can only ever get $1100 a month.

With the new system in place you must take into consideration of what he gets and how he gets it. So Mr. Big always earns $1000 with a 20% referral rate. Now we need to know exactly what his referrals earn each month for him. That would be $1000 * 5 = $5000, so his referrals always earn $5000 each month and from that $5000 Mr. Big gets $1000. AKA he earns 20% of $5000.

But now that we've changed the referral bonus to 30%, we need to adjust how much Mr. Big earns. Now his referrals ALWAYS earn $5000 every month. So we take $5000 * 0.3 = $1500. Mr. Big earns $1500 with a 30% referral bonus.

Now to crunch the other interesting numbers.
Oringinally Mr. Big earned 1000 a month. now he earns 1500 a month.
1000 * 1.5 = 1500, basically Mr. Big is earning 50% more than he was earlier.
Comparatively if it was the referathon. He would be earning $400 more than that. 1500 - 1100 = 400. That make sense now >.>?

Pyros

No, I am 95% sure my math is not wrong.

And there are 3 problems with your example. One - you use big numbers to make the results look significant. Two - static numbers are unrealistic. Three - You are basing your scenario on a 5:1 ratio. 5 being the amount of money you make and 1 being the number of referrals, which again, is unrealistic. How about we work with realistic numbers? 0.2:1 perhaps. And THAT is a good ratio btw.

Lets say our top referrer makes about $200 ref earnings + $100 contest. I know how the math works, you don't have to explain that. But for everyone else reading I'll show it. $200 x 5 = $1000 x 0.3 = $300. All in all, it's exactly the same as he did before except for when we get into the number or referrals he'd actually have to achieve. 5 referrals per dollar. That's 1000 referrals. Wait.. 1000? Isn't that what I said when you said my math was wrong? Oh and it's not even ONLY 1000, it's 1000 ACTIVE referrals. I'm sure our top referrer doesn't make 1000 active referrals a month. And again, that's using a realistic but GOOD ratio. Most ratios are 0.1:1 or 0.15:1. And in order to achieve anything beyond their usual they would need over 1000 referrals. It's not looking too good for them now is it?

you're right about the ratios BUT you're wrong about not keeping the earnings static. if the user does just as well and nothing changes but the referral percentage then the user earns more.

in reflection to the referathon you need to remember that you are NOT top referrer so you dont know their earnings and i would not be one to divulge their earnings. They know their own earnings and "we" know their earnings and from the calculations done they DO win more if they use this system.

the biggest loss will potentially come to the user in ranks 5 to 9 of the referathon but we made it guaranteed so that the top user will gain more.
and while you might think that the ratios matter, they really dont. the reason being? top referrers ALWAYS understand the ratio they've been working at it for ages and they know that is the referral ratio. They just EARN that much regardless.

Pyros

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7676/patricioduuuuuhhhh.jpg

[Pyros]

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7676/patricioduuuuuhhhh.jpg

lol love that post ;P
+rep... for once ;D

Pyros

[vallu]

Err cool, haha. Too busy to read this whole thread, but quality it is.

[Dr.Genjoah]

Lol, using stats from my past months, and me winning the first place in the referral contest multiple times, I can say that the top referrer would earn more than they would in a referral contest, lol.

[Louis]

So the winner earns 10% of his refs instead of $100.

The winner earns at least $200 a month from refs, so his ref's make at least $1000.

He could either have $200+ and his $100 bonus or $200+ and an extra 10% ($100+)

As long as the winner earns more than $200 (Like they always do) then they are earning more than they would in the ref-a-thon.

[Cake]

Seems good to me, since I always get 50+ referrals a month.

[larcha]

Seems good to me, since I always get 50+ referrals a month.

me too, i think i get 200....

[JohnVictoria]

lol maybe they should make one for 500+ active users and a 40% ref earning.:laugh3:

[Eric Sherman]

I'm really confused; however, not interested.

[Pyros]

I'm really confused; however, not interested.

Still cant win you over huh :p?

Pyros

[Blockis]

I love the new plan.

I'll have 30% every month. I got 76 actives in 2 days.

Blockis

[davstar]

I like the refer-a-thon because i used to come 2nd/3rd place all the time. But this new system isn't that bad and i welcome it!

[larcha]

i am so happy i have 30%

[Lastwill]

25% here. It was just updated.

[Yasri2007]

I got 30%:laugh3:

[Billinator]

With my ref idea in store, I'll get 30% soon enough.

[TDot]

I got 25%.........

[Vontemixmaster]

30% *****es................:p

[imagripandsip]

you guys dont need sherman cuz he's a ****ing noob

[Pyros]

lol blade you and sherman used to be tight :P
glad you guys all got fancy numbers hahah, enjoy earning more cash with the bonus :P

Pyros

[Twister]

lol blade you and sherman used to be tight :P
glad you guys all got fancy numbers hahah, enjoy earning more cash with the bonus :P

Pyros
neither of em use r1 ;)

[Pyros]

neither of em use r1 ;)

yeah i know :P well blademog moved on so nuttin wrong with, im sure his own thing he's doing is getting plenty of success

Pyros

[imagripandsip]

i actually like 30%

and offers credit A **** LOAD here

[Pyros]

i actually like 30%

and offers credit A **** LOAD here

can i haz that in my quote ;D

Pyros

[imagripandsip]

yeah sure.

[larcha]

30% is really nice

[yapyapyap]

25% Nice .

[Blockis]

Well, I got 168 actives so 25%, but so close to 30 -.-

Blockis

[Crystal]

did any of you happen to notice the shiny new crown that appears on your home page now if you have the referral bonus ;)

[Twister]

yessssirrrrrrrr =D
makes me feel like teh king.

[JohnVictoria]

yeah, i got the gold crown!
http://rewards1.com/images/gCrown.png

[diandre]

IT LOOKS OK I GUESS:banana:banana:banana:banana

[nightpk]

Way to bump a 3 month old thread.

[angelguy]

thanks for this

[Lombax]

WooHoo Time to get some referrals!

[Falsifying]

WooHoo Time to get some referrals!

What? You didn't even read the thread..

[iiTzElementz]

What? You didn't even read the thread..
Loll








+1

[Pyros]

lol are you guys finding it hard to get to 30%?

Pyros

[Chiski]

lol are you guys finding it hard to get to 30%?

Pyros
I am >.< I only get 1 active referral per day (if im lucky.) and I never get to the 30% bonus =/

[Pyros]

I am >.< I only get 1 active referral per day (if im lucky.) and I never get to the 30% bonus =/

lol well tahts not OUR fault o_o

pyros

[Chiski]

lol well tahts not OUR fault o_o

pyros
OH YES IT IS ;p

[Lombax]

What? You didn't even read the thread..

Yeh I did...

[G0thlckitten]

Hmm I find it hard but not really good at promoting so going to check out the tips part of the forum and then really pick my game up lol:lol:banana

[Pyros]

Hmm I find it hard but not really good at promoting so going to check out the tips part of the forum and then really pick my game up lol:lol:banana

lol good luck doing it. with enough effort and hard work. you'll reap A LOT of rewards ;P. no joke

Pyros

[G0thlckitten]

lol good luck doing it. with enough effort and hard work. you'll reap A LOT of rewards ;P. no joke

Pyros

I know i have been thought a lot of work for not a lot of refs so i am just going to check up on the tips that way i can see where i am going wrong :bomb::smiley2:

[Pyros]

I know i have been thought a lot of work for not a lot of refs so i am just going to check up on the tips that way i can see where i am going wrong :bomb::smiley2:

haah some things work and some dont.
dont get discouraged, it takes some time to get started sometimes

Pyros

[G0thlckitten]

haah some things work and some dont.
dont get discouraged, it takes some time to get started sometimes

Pyros

I know :lol I am not discouraged i love rewards1 lol i just wish some day i get to meet the people that made it i mean in person :P

(not like i am a staker or anything :thumbs)

[Pyros]

sure if you are female and under 18 you can meet me in the back alley :D

btw. im joking =/

Pyros

[G0thlckitten]

sure if you are female and under 18 you can meet me in the back alley :D

btw. im joking =/

Pyros

Hahaha that made me laugh thought awww you don't i was just about to get in the alley XD

[Pyros]

Hahaha that made me laugh thought awww you don't i was just about to get in the alley XD

lol daaaamn my chance! haha

Pyros

[G0thlckitten]

lol daaaamn my chance! haha

Pyros

hahaha i know you just missed it thought i am only joking i am a guy hahaha had you on XD:lol

[Pyros]

hahaha i know you just missed it thought i am only joking i am a guy hahaha had you on XD:lol

lol that's a nasty trick to pull on me then :p
s'ok im a nice guy i dont do evil things =/

Pyros

[G0thlckitten]

Awwww its ok i will not do it again just like cyber slap me if i do it again :P XP

[Pyros]

k =/ but when i slap, its usually with the a ban hammer lol
so just watch out ;P

Pyros

[G0thlckitten]

Arghhhhh (runs away) "Don't slap me don't slap me :lol

[Sandstorm]

k =/ but when i slap, its usually with the a ban hammer lol
so just watch out ;P

Pyros

Super infract-ban cheesecakes? You been eating any? Looks like your using alot =D
Lmao

[larcha]

I am back to 20% yay

[Pyros]

I am back to 20% yay

how the great have fallen

Pyros

[joeyjumanji]

how the great have fallen

Pyros

I hate you for not ramming me
:D

[TheStankTank]

I'm for the tiered system as well. It promotes mentors, which is good for the referrers and the site. I'm new to this. Hopefully I'll be able to find a good niche and earn some refs.

[welshkid]

Nice I like it :)
I might start getting referrals on here now ;D

[MarcoLicious]

Nice I like it :)
I might start getting referrals on here now ;D

This was like 6-7 months ago...

[FireStorm]

Way to bump up a super old thread

[Chiski]

Sup Rewards1 staff? No April contest? :p

[Whiskeh]

Sup Rewards1 staff? No April contest? :p

Yea :[ .... they should do a referral contest of some sort.

[ozudia]

i swear im struggling to see why ppl use this forum!!!..........what do u get out of this forum?

[JayJay777]

i swear im struggling to see why ppl use this forum!!!..........what do u get out of this forum?
They come here to chat with other users. No cash profit.

[ozudia]

oh just to chat...... ok got it?

[ozudia]

what about the contest earnings howd do get cash on that section?

[Pyros]

i swear im struggling to see why ppl use this forum!!!..........what do u get out of this forum?

help for doing offers?
making deals on the services?
general enjoyment of chatting with each other?
sharing or tactics for referring?
sharing what you won?
participating in contests?
etc etc.

oh just to chat...... ok got it?

lol, if you want to sure

what about the contest earnings howd do get cash on that section?

to get cash in the contest earnings, you need to win some of our contests. as of current there hasnt been any contests run yet, but there will be ... ;D sooon maybe

anyways, just wait a bit and to see if you can win any of our contests heh
usually come bouts at special occasions

Pyros

[Chiski]

help for doing offers?
making deals on the services?
general enjoyment of chatting with each other?
sharing or tactics for referring?
sharing what you won?
participating in contests?
etc etc.



lol, if you want to sure



to get cash in the contest earnings, you need to win some of our contests. as of current there hasnt been any contests run yet, but there will be ... ;D sooon maybe

anyways, just wait a bit and to see if you can win any of our contests heh
usually come bouts at special occasions

Pyros
THAT MEANS THERES NO MID APRIL CONTEST? :c

[Pyros]

THAT MEANS THERES NO MID APRIL CONTEST? :c

lol i cant say whether or not, but if there isnt then there's probably something else the month coming ;D

Pyros

[ozudia]

lol i cant say whether or not, but if there isnt then there's probably something else the month coming ;D

Pyros what sort of contests are there then? how do u enter?
what do you do? how do you get the cash/points?

[FireStorm]

I dislike very nooby people )=

[ozudia]

I dislike very nooby people )= wonder if anyone from rewards1 has EVER got a ps3 by doing offers.........if they have it mustve taken like 2 years at least but if u in the uk it mustve taken like 5 lol...........referrals are hard............plus the % rates suck :crap and u should get at leats $0.10 automatically for each referal that automatically completes one offer! wish the admins consider this!!! :sad:

[Pyros]

wonder if anyone from rewards1 has EVER got a ps3 by doing offers.........if they have it mustve taken like 2 years at least but if u in the uk it mustve taken like 5 lol...........referrals are hard............plus the % rates suck :crap and u should get at leats $0.10 automatically for each referal that automatically completes one offer! wish the admins consider this!!! :sad:

http://forums.rewards1.com/showthread.php?t=58591
lol ... just 2 days ago ^^

anyways its possible. you just need to work on it. remember referrals will pay out probably more than 10 cents if they actually DID something ;D

and definitely not in 2 years.
here's a lil history lesson too! ;D back then we used to run "referathon contests" (you can still see if it you know where to look) but basically we awarded the top 10 referrers each up to $100 per month.

we changed that to a referral bonus % schema noting that larger referrers WILL earn more than that $100 bonus per month.

moral of the story? you can definitely earn a PS3's worth in under 2 months.

Pyros

[ozudia]

:idea:http://forums.rewards1.com/showthread.php?t=58591
lol ... just 2 days ago ^^

anyways its possible. you just need to work on it. remember referrals will pay out probably more than 10 cents if they actually DID something ;D

and definitely not in 2 years.
here's a lil history lesson too! ;D back then we used to run "referathon contests" (you can still see if it you know where to look) but basically we awarded the top 10 referrers each up to $100 per month.

we changed that to a referral bonus % schema noting that larger referrers WILL earn more than that $100 bonus per month.

moral of the story? you can definitely earn a PS3's worth in under 2 months.

Pyrosi really cant say anything else now lol............but automatic cash for a referral completing their first offer would be a good idea :idea:

[Pyros]

:idea:i really cant say anything else now lol............but automatic cash for a referral completing their first offer would be a good idea :idea:

lol, thats exactly what we do.
you get cash when your referrer does any offer and "completes" it.
and thats pretty much instant.

Pyros

[ozudia]

lol, thats exactly what we do.
you get cash when your referrer does any offer and "completes" it.
and thats pretty much instant.

Pyrosi think u should bring back the refer-a-thon but keep the bonus % scheme as well........like u said defenatly a ps3's worth in two months that was before wasnt it? lol because u could win up to $100
now u cant.

[Pyros]

i think u should bring back the refer-a-thon but keep the bonus % scheme as well........like u said defenatly a ps3's worth in two months that was before wasnt it? lol because u could win up to $100
now u cant.

lol back then all you could win was the $100
but if you were one of the big referrers and you calculated out 30% ref rate per month ;D you totally earned more than $100, that was the reasoning in switching it. (you backwards calculated that you can probably figure out how much a successful referrer should be getting a month :P)

as a result we probably wont have "both" since one was just the better replacement of the other.

we most likely wont adapt a "monthly" referathon contest anymore, but it wont mean that we wont hold referral contests as well.

Pyros

[rewards1rebel]

after you get 25 or 30%, does it stay like that forever?

[rewards1rebel]

after you get 25 or 30%, does it stay like that forever?

Actually ignore that sorry i didnt realize it said only for the following month:smiley2:

[Pyros]

Actually ignore that sorry i didnt realize it said only for the following month:smiley2:

lol, well that's good :p glad you noticed hah
the power of reading will never let you down!

pyros

[Vastslayer]

Alothough i havent been here long enough to know what that was, i think i want to get a least 5 referalls. So if anyone would like to pm me about some tatics that'd be nice thank you.:thumbs

[xXFiReDrAgOnXx]

looking forward to this

[joeyjumanji]

omg just close this thread please pyros
I don't even know why people are still posting in this ****
-_-